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Re: Bristol

Postby AngelM16 » 14th Dec 11, 21:00

benwalton wrote:Having read what happened and the fall out from it on here and on Twitter, I have a few points to bring to this melting pot of festering resentment.

1. I have seen Ginger gigs where he hasn't been in the best of moods, and yes, they can be tough to watch when you have nothing but admiration for the man, but quite simply, this board here is full of hardcore Ginger fans and apologists. I think I speak for most of us when I say that if Ginger used our 'asses as his girlfriend' we'd probably wear it as a badge of pride, there'd be multiple threads on here offering a blow by blow account of it. It seems like coming in here saying how much of a penny pinching bastard you think Ginger is was never going to be a good idea. Go away.

2. Sure, the things Ginger has been saying on Twitter haven't been the most pleasant, but as has been proven in this thread, people say things they will go on to regret in the heat of the moment. Deal with it. Like the news editor of NME is going to write a piece about Ginger having a strop - when was the last time Ginger was even in NME? Gimme a break...

3. I will never, never, never be able to condone or side with someone who defends crowd surfing. In my every day life I don't have to put up with people's grubby fucking trainers kicking me in the face, or having some grubby cunt's rub over the top of my head. Don't crowd surf. It's just common courtesy. If you want to enjoy something that involves taking your feet off the ground buy a motherfucking trampoline.

Bristol: from what I gather, you were cheated out of the final moments of one single song. Quite how anyone would dare ask for their money back after seeing essentially a full gig is beyond me. It's like: you're trying to say that seeing 3 bands wasn't worth £12? you realise that's £4 per band right? What can you get for £4 these days anyway?

eeuuurgggghhhhh...back into my dark cavern I go....


Well said!

I've hated crowd surfers ever since I got properly kicked in the head by a shirtless, sweaty knobhead having a whale of a time at everyone else's expense. I feel the same way about stage divers, and I've seen a fair few of them go splat when the crowd has decided to part rather than catch some huge sweaty drunk. :lol:

Demanding refunds or haranguing Ginger over last night just makes you look like a loser, and I'm sure Ginger can happily live without 'fans' like that!

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Re: Bristol

Postby Damian » 14th Dec 11, 21:04

True fact: at my very first ever Wildhearts gig (1994), I got kicked in the head by a crowdsurfer and was bleeding profusely. Worst thing about it? I knew the guy that did it.
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Re: Bristol

Postby siobhan_h » 14th Dec 11, 21:09

I have crowdsurfed twice in my life. Both times were not by choice. Once was the only way I could escape a crowd crush when I was 14 & a large man tossed me towards the waiting security guards & the other was at Machine Head, whilst in a pit a man decided to throw me into the air & whilst bobbing about another pit opened up below me. Fail.

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Re: Bristol

Postby andy_b » 14th Dec 11, 21:11

Gladney wrote:I remember seeing slipknot in 2004 and they got about 40,000 people to sit down and jump up at the same time! pretty sweet if you ask me! :)

That's just showing off ;)
The Bellrays are another band that manage to convince people to sit down. Which on the floor of The Basement at Rock City is no mean feat...cos it stinks of vom.
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Re: Bristol

Postby andy_b » 14th Dec 11, 21:17

I still bear a scar on my arm from a crowd-surfer at a Feeder gig back in the 90's (*how long ago?*).

I think I can sum up my feelings toward them by recalling a tactic used by an awesome listee who is sadly no longer with us...
When they surf ower yer, GRAB 'N TWIST!
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Re: Bristol

Postby JonnySthlm » 14th Dec 11, 21:21

Ah, the old Grab'n'twist. I had almost forgotten my last interaction with a crowdsurfers. The first one kicked me, the second one payed for it. :D
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Re: Bristol

Postby Ross » 14th Dec 11, 21:57

andy_b wrote:I still bear a scar on my arm from a crowd-surfer at a Feeder gig back in the 90's (*how long ago?*).

I think I can sum up my feelings toward them by recalling a tactic used by an awesome listee who is sadly no longer with us...
When they surf ower yer, GRAB 'N TWIST!


I have a scarred little finger from some crowd-surfer's wallet chain while watching Symposium at Reading.

Screw em.
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Re: Bristol

Postby joelwreford » 14th Dec 11, 22:05

I'm angry because Ginger spent the gig saying we weren't clapping, and why don't we just fuck off? And that he's hating touring, makes the night really special! So in that way no, I'm not getting what I paid for. It wasn't just the incident at the end, So yeah I had a bitch and a moan on Twitter etc. But suddenly I'm the bad guy!

But when Ginger makes things even worse by calling everyone cunts, then everyone says he's just having a bad day? Everyone is saying he’s only human etc, but I don’t care. I didn’t pay to watch a guy who’s feeling a bit down and keeps telling the crowd we’re shit. I wanted a fun engaging rock show where we all come out with a feeling of community. You’re all being too precious.

Having said that Ginger has now apologised which I, and many others I’m sure, appreciate.
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Re: Bristol

Postby macc lad » 14th Dec 11, 22:26

Hmmm wolvo tomorrow better be a better night for all concerned :grr:
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Re: Bristol

Postby WiredOut » 14th Dec 11, 23:21

joelwreford, I'd say no-one's come out of this sparkling, least of all (and I literally mean that) Ginger.

I can understand your frustration about the gig and maybe you'd agree getting 'verbal' with Ginger the next day wasn't the ideal option. That said, Ginger's reaction was way OTT and 'ugly and unnecessary' as he has now put it. I've been on the sharp end of his tongue a couple of times before online and know it isn't pleasant.

Saying THAT I think much of this has really been about his punishing work schedule and stress over missing his family; making him snap in a way he clearly now regrets.

I think it's maybe a lesson to all in the lubricated all-pervading ease of internet communication. It's easy for ANYONE on any side to quickly burrow into sensitive topics with strangers, where a little time for consideration might yield more pleasant and fruitful progressions. And I've made my own mistakes with such stuff too.
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Re: Bristol

Postby joelwreford » 14th Dec 11, 23:24

Fair enough.
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Re: Bristol

Postby bucks » 14th Dec 11, 23:33

i also hate crowdsurfing,just pinch their trainers that will learn them :D

as for the setlist ,any setlist involving wildhearts songs is always going to be quality,and i am now a huge fan of s.authors after hearing it live.


as for the g man himself its that fiery hot/cold character that makes him and his bands such a joy to watch and exiting as you never know whats coming.

happy xmas all :)
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Re: Bristol

Postby benwalton » 14th Dec 11, 23:35

You know, since 2007 we've had:

2 Ginger solo albums
Yoni
Market Harbour
As well as The best of album with 2 new tracks on it

The Mike Monroe CD

2 Wildhearts albums (which are undoubtedly up there with their best)
Self-titled
Chutzpah
A covers album - Stop Us If You've Heard This One Before...
The Live in the studio DVD

+ countless tours and almost endless interaction via Twitter and Formspring. These last 4 years have been batshit crazy, and I think, on a total tangent, this triple album is going to be the absolute peak of this 'purple patch' for Ginger.

I'd say the man is almost definitely due a little bit of down time.
and just last week as i was clearing shit from off my shelf...
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Bristol

Postby James S » 14th Dec 11, 23:45

You missed Chuzpah Jr which is if anything better than its big brother if only for the camp German techno vibe of Under The Waves Über Alles.
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Re: Bristol

Postby benwalton » 15th Dec 11, 00:47

Knew there was something I'd forgotten. All That Zen - Snake, Monkey, Lion, Spider - Vernix - full awesome.

Ginger, go to bed and have a lie in mate, you owe it to yourself!
and just last week as i was clearing shit from off my shelf...
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